PSP Go and Piracy?? Is it really Piracy??

[mattyyey]

erm we dnt own the music we buy off itunes DURR! lmao the artist owns the f**king song!!!!

what you have to remember is that we do not buy the game (and its code and the rights to edit said code as we see fit) we buy the use of game code. the disc its on it ours, but the program/game belongs to the coders. we have rights to use our end of the bargin - we have the right to play it and store it (thats where the right to backup comes into question) but we do not have the right to edit the game until the licence is changed. these games ARE NOT FREEWARE (share and share alike but dnt edit) and ARE NOT OPENSOURCE (we can edit as we see fit).

did u bother reading?

well read this ffs. I agree online stores were the next logical step, sony is not ripping us off, there just trying to stop D1cks from downloads the games of others!

Intellectual property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres an example:
you download the lcars CTF I MADE, I OWN IT! I have intellectual property rights on it, by what your saying, once you have downloaded it you own it? you made it?? i dnt fink so! no I grant you USE OF MY THEME, nothing else!

[DtotheK]

In my opinion, the "worth" of something is the measure of money that something can be sold for. EG a house is only worth what you can sell it at. Same for a car etc.

In my opinion, PSP Go! games are worthless. They are worth exactly 0$, as you can't sell them. (unless giving away your PSN account)

[mattyyey]

Originally Posted by DtotheK

In my opinion, the "worth" of something is the measure of money that something can be sold for. EG a house is only worth what you can sell it at. Same for a car etc.

In my opinion, PSP Go! games are worthless. They are worth exactly 0$, as you can't sell them. (unless giving away your PSN account)

yes i understand that, and agree to a point, but your psn games can be give to other pspgo registered to 1 account.... that could be how u get around it, but thats not the point....

a house is purely physical! a games is not, code can come in so many forms and the size of the disc doesnt indicate the ammount of work that went into it like a house.

what you wish to do, is pay for the right to play, play it, then sell on your right to play it yes? that sound perfectly reasonable, and thats as far as i can agree, but what would stop you from buying a game (not for pspgo -> umd) playing it for 5 mins backing it up then taking it back to the shop to swap for another game? NOTHING! because we have great cfw.... score 1 to us. but as far as sony are concerned, once you take that umd back you have given up your right to play that game, and the right to storage of the game, understand? which means your backups become illegal once you dnt own the disc any longer. now I know this isnt wat you are on about but I'm getting there....

because sony do not trust people (with good reason i might add) they decided that the right to store said game should be restricted, that means the copy you get is signed to your psp, and they have the master copy, which you can get off them at any time. this now means that once we buy the right to play and store it, we cannot remove that right, which is wrong! you should be able to sell it on, like u said, but how would sony allow that without making it possible for people to hack the games and give our the right to play for free (poor devs)? they cannot because we are good at hacking.


so to cut a long story short, sony are only protecting themselves from pirates, NOT HACKERS, PIRATES! please do ask if u dnt understand. the fact you cannot sell on your rights is unforntunate, but if u read the law, you do not have the right to sell on game play rights, you have the right to sell the umd (its physical) its on which means you sell ur rights aways too, but that doesnt mean that you have the right to do so. therefore not being able to sell your PSN games is tough! maybe a refund scheme might be good to trade in for other games once u have played it, but again sony will be worried about pirates.

ITS A WAR YOU KNOW!! US Vs $ONY!!!!

thats enough on this topic from me, over and out...

[DtotheK]

Originally Posted by mattyyey

once we buy the right to play and store it, we cannot remove that right,

I agree with everything you said completely... Although I don't think I thought about the details as much as you. The above quote clarifies the situation well, which is unfortunate for me(and many).

[mattyyey]

the only reason i have thought about this topic in so much detail is because of 2 reasons....

1) this topic has been covered on the forum a few times - not really about the pspgo, but about our rights and the ownership of games....

2)when i was young (like 12) i started downloading music 4 free and PC games 4 free *hangs his head * and my older brother was learning to program (was just making his first A.I. actually) and went on this HUGE rant about why not to download, why he would be really mad if I downloaded cowbrain (his a.i.) remade the gui and called it my own, anyways long story short, he would start this rant and wouldnt shut up about it until i had stopped my downloads and deleted the half finished 1s.
so basically, my brother is a dev and i understand the position pirates force upon devs these days. the dev cannot simply make an app to do a job, he must make it fool proof if he wants to sell it.

i know it sucks atm, but if sony have any sense they will adopt a trade in function for games on the PSN, which ok cuts out local shops, but it gives us what we want... Sony will not allow us to sell games to other people because they cannot be sure if we created a backup first b4 doing so, but with the psn they can just remove it from your account. I hope they do this and I also hope they add a APP store and add plugins! I know that might add problems and some would say make it easier to hack but fewer people would be wanting cfw....

[Storm]

Originally Posted by mattyyey

erm we dnt own the music we buy off itunes DURR! lmao the artist owns the f**king song!!!!



did u bother reading?

well read this ffs. I agree online stores were the next logical step, sony is not ripping us off, there just trying to stop D1cks from downloads the games of others!

Intellectual property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heres an example:
you download the lcars CTF I MADE, I OWN IT! I have intellectual property rights on it, by what your saying, once you have downloaded it you own it? you made it?? i dnt fink so! no I grant you USE OF MY THEME, nothing else!

Wow, take it easy.

we don't OWN the song, I was meaning its ours to play and enjoy listening to. Not our song which we can say its our own o_O

It's the same context with the games, its ours to play but not ours to claim as our own work.

I think I may have came across the wrong way.

[vmurph]

Originally Posted by Storm

I like the idea of downloading games on one end of the stick, but on the other theres the side of me that missed browsing the local game store

I guess we have to mold to the new ways o_O

I absolutely love going to the gamestore. That's half the fun! ...picking them out, holding them in my hands, looking at the cover art and reading the description. I especially love going home and opening a brand new game...pulling off the cellophane and reading the instruction booklet.

I used to love advances in technology, but lately I'm really starting to to resent having to "mold" to some of these new changes...particularly in the area of gaming.

Originally Posted by DtotheK

In my opinion, the "worth" of something is the measure of money that something can be sold for.

In my opinion, PSP Go! games are worthless. They are worth exactly 0$, as you can't sell them. (unless giving away your PSN account)

Exactly. Btw, it's not just an opinion. It's actually a very well known saying. "An item is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it."

And I agree with you completely because I'm not only a gamer, I'm also a collector. I think this will bother collectors more than ordinary gamers, because a lot of times we purchase games with the future in mind.

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[dav@nzt]

Originally Posted by mattyyey

I hope they do this and I also hope they add a APP store and add plugins! I know that might add problems and some would say make it easier to hack but fewer people would be wanting cfw....

I looove this idea, lets make a formal request for an app store cuz I think the main reason for cfw is for homebrew use not piracy and a lot of ppl would agree, plus its a win-win situation we get our homebrew and sony gets a break on piracy.

Anyone share my opinion or am I just crazy?

[bluesitaw]

Originally Posted by dav@nzt

I looove this idea, lets make a formal request for an app store cuz I think the main reason for cfw is for homebrew use not piracy and a lot of ppl would agree, plus its a win-win situation we get our homebrew and sony gets a break on piracy.

Anyone share my opinion or am I just crazy?

You're not crazy man, I completely support your idea!
There's one little problem though. If I'm not mistaken, Sony gets cash from developers who release games through their system, the PSP. Most homebrew devs doesn't pay or doesnt have any contract with sony. So it's basically like this: Why would sony release an app/game for free (or at least for little cash)?

[bluesitaw]

Originally Posted by vmurph

I absolutely love going to the gamestore. That's half the fun! ...picking them out, holding them in my hands, looking at the cover art and reading the description. I especially love going home and opening a brand new game...pulling off the cellophane and reading the instruction booklet.

I used to love advances in technology, but lately I'm really starting to to resent having to "mold" to some of these new changes...particularly in the area of gaming.




Exactly. Btw, it's not just an opinion. It's actually a very well known saying. "An item is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it."

And I agree with you completely because I'm not only a gamer, I'm also a collector. I think this will bother collectors more than ordinary gamers, because a lot of times we purchase games with the future in mind.

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Yeah, I'd still stick to the old ways, but I'm open to this new era of legally downloading games as well. My parents have been buying me games since I was a kid (my first ever console was a Nintendo Famicom), and until now even If I can already buy my own games, nothing beats the feeling of owning a hard/physical copy of it. I love the nostalgic feeling everytime I come across my old Famicom, Sega Megadrive, and SNES cartridges (including my ps1 and dreamcast games as well), because owning a physical copy of it is like having a piece of gaming history in your hands, which is great!