PSP Go and Piracy?? Is it really Piracy??

[parnelli97]

This will probably be putting a stick in a hornets nest. And I'll put this up front. I don't own a GO, I don't intend to get one or pirate games. Nor am I endorsing piracy.


Here it goes. The new PSP Go has downloadable games only, so it brings in to question, what do you own? Do you own the game, or just the rights to play it. If you break your GO, and want to transfer a game you "PURCHASED" to a new unit you're out of luck. What if you buy a game and think it sucks, can you sell it to someone who wants it? Now how is it piracy to have a backup game in case your unit becomes physically damaged and you still want to play... Now I can see where this can be easily abused and why Sony would not want you to be able to move games. But the question I'm posing is What do you own, what do you have the right to do with what you own. If you move the game to someone elses GO and delete it from yours, isn't that the same as selling a UMD game? So as I see it Sony is quite truly "asking for it" when it comes to hacking the GO. They have removed the rights of the player and game "owner". I think hacking the GO should be done simply for the principle of Sony removing the rights of gamers... And the definition of piracy comes into question, because I'm positive Sony would view any movement of "their" game from one unit to another as piracy, regardless if you delete the original or not.


That said, I would like to hear other peoples opinion as well. Thanks for listening to my RANT, and I would like to thank all the Coders and Hackers who make it possible to use our PSP's to their full potential.

[vmurph]

This is precisely why I hate the Go. The inability to buy used games for a fraction of the price, or to sell games that I ended up hating, is, IMO, the real crime. I feel like Sony is the one stealing from me. Nothing sickens me more than when a company finds a clever new way of fleecing the customer and disguises it as a sexy new "feature" for us.

They didn't do away with the UMD drive to make it sleeker and sexier in our hands. Anyone who believes that is naive. They did it to create a monopoly...to ensure that every single PSP game from this point forward HAS to be purchased directly from them and only them...nowhere else. No more used game stores, no more ebay and no more flea markets.

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[azn069]

Originally Posted by vmurph

...to ensure that every single PSP game from this point forward HAS to be purchased directly from them and only them...nowhere else. No more used game stores, no more ebay and no more flea markets.

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I think this is a very daring, bold and "We don't give a shit" kind of move. What you pointed out is clearly what Sony are trying to do. They KNOW us homebrew users are the main customers, if only customers that use the PSP, so as naive as they are they think they can stop us by doing this with the Go. Well if Sony reads this I hope they realize there are still 3 previous generations of the PSP which play the same games and give us more freedom to enjoy the device.

[bluesitaw]

Tbh, i really don't fancy the PSP Go that much because of those. Yeah, it's smaller, sleeker, and newer, but it terms of functionality, the previous ones are better. Maybe if I were a "rich kid" I'd consider getting one. Haha!

Kidding set aside, yeah, Sony sure is starting to monopolize in the portable gaming market.

[s3honey]

Agree

[mOOsE]

Originally Posted by parnelli97

Here it goes. The new PSP Go has downloadable games only, so it brings in to question, what do you own? Do you own the game, or just the rights to play it. If you break your GO, and want to transfer a game you "PURCHASED" to a new unit you're out of luck. What if you buy a game and think it sucks, can you sell it to someone who wants it? Now how is it piracy to have a backup game in case your unit becomes physically damaged and you still want to play... Now I can see where this can be easily abused and why Sony would not want you to be able to move games. But the question I'm posing is What do you own, what do you have the right to do with what you own. If you move the game to someone elses GO and delete it from yours, isn't that the same as selling a UMD game? So as I see it Sony is quite truly "asking for it" when it comes to hacking the GO. They have removed the rights of the player and game "owner". I think hacking the GO should be done simply for the principle of Sony removing the rights of gamers... And the definition of piracy comes into question, because I'm positive Sony would view any movement of "their" game from one unit to another as piracy, regardless if you delete the original or not.

Clearly you haven't read anything about the PSN Download process. Any game you download is yours, regardless of device. You can sell, smash, or otherwise lose your PSP and still have access to your Game when you buy a new PSP. Your PSN account contains a history of all the games you have downloaded and you can re-download them at any time with no charge. Also, if you have multiple PSP's, a family, or close friends with PSP's, you can purchase ONE game and SHARE it among 5 devices registered to your account. Also, downloaded games can be purchased from Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other retailers in the form of Download cards, for use on PSN. Obviously the selling or buying used games is still MIA with the GO but if downloadable rentals came into play, then their wouldn't be as much of a gripe from Sony's customers. They certainly have to give-in a little bit right now as the GO isn't selling well or being received well by anyone. But there is an obvious lack of understanding if people think they lose their games if they break their PSPGo.

[Gusha]

Originally Posted by mOOsE

Clearly you haven't read anything about the PSN Download process. Any game you download is yours, regardless of device. You can sell, smash, or otherwise lose your PSP and still have access to your Game when you buy a new PSP. Your PSN account contains a history of all the games you have downloaded and you can re-download them at any time with no charge. Also, if you have multiple PSP's, a family, or close friends with PSP's, you can purchase ONE game and SHARE it among 5 devices registered to your account. Also, downloaded games can be purchased from Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other retailers in the form of Download cards, for use on PSN. Obviously the selling or buying used games is still MIA with the GO but if downloadable rentals came into play, then their wouldn't be as much of a gripe from Sony's customers. They certainly have to give-in a little bit right now as the GO isn't selling well or being received well by anyone. But there is an obvious lack of understanding if people think they lose their games if they break their PSPGo.

Bloody good Read on matters! + Thanks

[im0]

if you start to read the terms of agreement in the gamebooklets you would notice, that the customers rights get less important from time to time.
i once read that if you buy a game in a store on cd or dvd you only buy the rights to play it, but not the game itself.
its the same with the psp as a device.
you are not allowed to change its firmware or even to read it or to "encrypt" it.
if you know that, can you really speak about "owning" something? or is it more like a rent @ lifetime with rules to follow? (hope you know what i mean)

[mattyyey]

Originally Posted by im0

if you start to read the terms of agreement in the gamebooklets you would notice, that the customers rights get less important from time to time.
i once read that if you buy a game in a store on cd or dvd you only buy the rights to play it, but not the game itself.
its the same with the psp as a device.
you are not allowed to change its firmware or even to read it or to "encrypt" it.
if you know that, can you really speak about "owning" something? or is it more like a rent @ lifetime with rules to follow? (hope you know what i mean)

what your talking about there is not the pspGO hardware but the software and the intellectual right of the coders. they have the right to keep the code they wrote private, and only sell the ability to use said code (when i say code i really mean games and firmwares). what you have to remember is that we do not buy the game (and its code and the rights to edit said code as we see fit) we buy the use of game code. the disc its on it ours, but the program/game belongs to the coders. we have rights to use our end of the bargin - we have the right to play it and store it (thats where the right to backup comes into question) but we do not have the right to edit the game until the licence is changed. these games ARE NOT FREEWARE (share and share alike but dnt edit) and ARE NOT OPENSOURCE (we can edit as we see fit).

a good example of this was the original UT wasnt open source at first, but after they released a few of them (around 2004 i think) they released the source on UT 1 so that the homebrew community could make better mods for online play.

you are all talking about what YOUR rights are and not thinking of the developers, they made it, they OWN IT! not us. we only own the right to play it! (more or less)

Sony will claim they are protecting that right, not ours. but yes maybe its going abit too far... but again on the other hand, think how many people will only use cfw to download games they havnt paid for, yes thats not really you or me, but it is SOME OF US!!

the issue of cfw is mainly based on the fact we "ripped" open thier source and made our own. if we made our own completely not based on thiers (both firmware and drivers and so wouldnt play thier games) we (i think) have the right to put it on the hardware, if removed the ipl code and pre ipl and so, if they were ALL ours we would have the rights more on our side. but since thats not true and we copy sony at every step, they get pissed at us.

ok thiers my rant XD I do think that CFW should be allowed, but if an app store and plugins were added so we could ADD OUR code to the firmware with out ever seeing it then I'd be more interested in staying with OFW... but since that not gona happen I support cfw sorry sony

EDIT:was my answer to detailed? maybe thats why no1 responds.....

[Storm]

Does anyone buy music anymore? Does anyone get off their comfy computer chair to walk to the local shops and buy and album for 20-30 dollars? It's like us saying we don't own the music we buy off iTunes? I mean, really... This is 2009 and everything is becoming easier: thus downloadable games.

I understand were sony is taking advantage of us... But there NOT taking our games off us, we buy them; we own them.

And if something did happen to your Go! I'm sure they'll replace the games you had because they have you on record, all it takes is a phone call.

I like the idea of downloading games on one end of the stick, but on the other theres the side of me that missed browsing the local game store

I guess we have to mold to the new ways o_O